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I’m not a Hindu, I’m an Aryan

This is a little conversation/debate I was having with a

close Hindu brethren of mine, Ravi Ladva. The topic was based on a small statement I had made on the jigyasa twitter feed of ‘I’m not a Hindu, I’m an Aryan’ from which the talk ensued. I hope you enjoy the read.

If you would like to follow Ravi Ladva on twitter his username is @RaviLadva alternatively you can go to his blog where he posts numerous articles regarding his thoughts and ideas regarding Hinduism (Link)

@yogaddhwani
 I’m not a Hindu, I’m an Aryan🙂

@RaviLadva
Brave words, care to back them up?

@yogaddhwani
Arya is the name given to the ‘noble’ followers of the Vedic Lore, not brave just using the term from the scriptures🙂

@RaviLadva
Out of context and ignorantly🙂

@yogaddhwani
ignorance is what your showing by calling my ignorant. I can quote numerous references from Vedas to validate my position also it’s not ignorance but proud of my Heritage! Hence not a Hindu but the progeny of the Aryan civilisation!🙂

@RaviLadva
Oh Really? As i understood it a person was made “noble” by their deeds not just progeny and heritage. I guess i missed that.

@yogaddhwani
a ‘noble’ person wouldn’t harp on about his deeds as there is nothing ‘noble’ about that but he can be proud of his heritage. Also if u want a debate about ‘out of context and ignorantly’ I’d happily comply but be factual before making baseless statements

@RaviLadva
Arya isn’t a word associated with theology or philosophy directly. It’s a borrowed term even in the RG.

@yogaddhwani
LOL Now you’re making me laugh! Arya is a borrowed word! From what!? Also coming from someone who can’t even read Sanskrit!

@RaviLadva
I never said it wasn’t a Sanskrit word i said it T&P borrow it from the Social Sciences. Look at the context of the word.

@yogaddhwani
also in what context did I say the word was used in philosophy or theology! Don’t change the debate like you notoriously do!

@RaviLadva
Also Insinuations that i changed the debate is gross misunderstanding on your part. Your dangerous and frivolous attitude towards the word Arya is something i took an offence against seeing as you know more Than i do apparently on everything, also some what unfair seeing as im not debating just pointing out don’t throw the word Arya and call yourself Aryan either directly or Indirectly.

@yogaddhwani
T&P?

@RaviLadva
Theology and Philosophy

@RaviLadva
I never said it wasn’t a Sanskrit word i said it T&P borrow it from the Social Sciences. Look at the context of the word.

@yogaddhwani
again, your knowledge of the Vedas is laughable don’t bring in ‘social sciences’ look at the term from the context of its origin. I’m insinuating as you changed the context from my original and bringing in T&P with no basis which it’s got nothing to do with! also I’m using the term Aryan in the context used in the Vedas and not an interpretation that you have deposited on it and took an offence too. However your term is based on baseless emotions on god knows what your offended by, however if you believe there’s nothing to correct bar your personal misunderstanding of the word.

@RaviLadva
I didn’t change it I just corrected it🙂
Brahma of glory is he to whom both the Aryans and the Dasas belong RV 8.8.9…. Social context

@yogaddhwani
lol please don’t quote me the Rig Veda unless your ready to be showered with the right translations in their correct context

@RaviLadva
Right translation in your opinion? again which is biased towards a theological perspective like i’ve tried to explain to you.

@yogaddhwani
1 + 1 = 2. Would you interpret this in a different way? Similarly I assure you my interpretation in literal rather than interpretive, I have nothing to gain by interpreting Vedic statements as any educated scholar regardless if background would gun me down. The sole reason why they haven’t is for my impartiality only, especially when interpreting texts! Whereas your texts are based on translations from the western world!

@RaviLadva
of course not 1+1=2 but my point is what are the 1’s and 2’s?

@yogaddhwani
lol ‘what are the 1’s and 2’s’ keep it simple, this is you trying to interpret something that don’t need interpreting!

@RaviLadva
the 1’s and 2’s are and often can be what you need them to be.

@yogaddhwani
okay let’s make this clear 1 is 1 and 2 is 2, now move on with the debate, stop meandering unnecessarily

@RaviLadva
You don’t think it’s dangerous to put down or imply the word Hindu is hollow?

@yogaddhwani
I’m not putting down ‘Hindu’ but rather referring to myself as a term used in the Vedas! similar to the fact that the word ‘Purohit’ is used in the Vedas doesn’t mean that u denigrate the term Hindu but rather use the correct term.

@RaviLadva
when Delhi University comes out with “Never a mandir under the Babri Masjid” forgive me if im more inclined to western scholars

@yogaddhwani
LOL now a western scholar unlearned in the language of Sanskrit is an authority of one who does! Come on dude give me. Break!

@RaviLadva
Neither side can be trusted 100% of the time. However i go for the side which has checks and balances against false information. Oh you mean someone like this? (http://youtu.be/wWL-hT2h9q8)
they tend to be more trust worthy than even some of our scholars has you’ve found out with Sai Baba and Shri Prabhupad

@yogaddhwani
false information according to who? Someone with partial knowledge? Come on dude, your arguments flawed! now you’re making me laugh but come back to the subject stop diverting. that varna video is off topic, come back to the arya subject!

@RaviLadva
fair enough, Arya’s context is social one.

@yogaddhwani
again Arya is a term given to the ‘noble’ who follow the Vedic lore it goes beyond the social context. Also please explain ur social context?

@RaviLadva
social refers to a characteristic of living organisms as applied to populations humans and other animals. it’s a term given to those who have done great deeds, looking at the fluctuations of the word is passes between social and T&P

@yogaddhwani
your term of Arya is highly interpretative than factual in the context of the Vedas and ancient times of which I refer too with my argument stemming from the verses of the Vedas rather than social conventions and human behaviours to suit a hypothesis

@RaviLadva
i think the word has moved on since it’s conception as the language as evolved.

@yogaddhwani
‘i think’ as you used seems to suggest an interpretation on your part rather than mine, my statement was literary from the text. the language has evolved but again you can’t use a new meaning to replace the old, especially from the Vedas!!!! Hence to study the Vedas the science if studying them has NEVER changed although the contemporary has! Hence again your interpretation is not true to the spirit of the original text which is my point exactly! mine is textual whereas urs is interpretive based on science/social mumbojumbo which I have no care 4!

@RaviLadva
Hmmmm we shall see🙂

@yogaddhwani
hence an Aryan, not a Hindu🙂

@RaviLadva
LOL can a hindu be an aryan?

@yogaddhwani
a hindu is an aryan🙂

@RaviLadva
That’s all you had to say!….

@yogaddhwani
lol good night dude. Great chat. Speak 2mo – Jai Sri Krsna or whatever else they say in sankhya!

@RaviLadva
LOL take care dude speak soon stay safe

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Discussion

2 thoughts on “I’m not a Hindu, I’m an Aryan

  1. Only those people who believe in the literal existence of the Vedic Gods like Pushan, Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Ashwin, Yama, Usha, Agni,Soma, Rudra etc are Aryans. Arya means noble men known for their wisdom, large heartedness and learning. Hindus are not Aryans as they worship Shiva, Krishna, Hanuman, Ganesha etc who appear in the later puranas and their beliefs appear quite childish compared to the superior Rig Vedic Aryans.

    Posted by Savitr | November 3, 2013, 6:01 pm
    • Well I beg to differ the Rig Veda says “Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti” The same “Sat” or “truth” is called by different names it can be Indra, Agni, Varuna and so on. Another thing is that the Chhandogya Upanishad says “Sat Eva soumya midam Agra aaseet ” this means that “Sat” is the one that existed in the beginning. This same “Sat” is considered ultimate in the Upanishads and the Samhita part of the Rig Veda. Hence I would say that the present Hindus are continuation of the same Aryans as the Aryans believed in “Sat”. All the devatas are nothing but different names of the same ” Sat”.

      Anyone is welcome to challenge this but with respect. Not using “Lol” and all these. The deconstruction should be proper and logic must be convincing.

      Posted by Shriram | March 28, 2015, 6:51 am

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